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  • TheRealRestoreInc.

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    August 18, 2021 at 9:46 pm

    @pierrekory “Consensus Ain’t Necessarily Truth – Behind the Curtain of the ‘Great Wizard of Oz of Encyclopedic Information’ aka Wikipedia”

    Here is how they come to the editing process…in this case, describing Dr. Pierre Kory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pierre_Kory

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    Treatments for COVID-19: Current consensus

    A note on WP:MEDRS: Per this Wikipedia policy, we must rely on the highest quality secondary sources and the recommendations of professional organizations and government bodies when determining the scientific consensus about medical treatments.

    <div>Ivermectin: The highest quality sources (1 2 3) do not currently support Ivermectin as an effective treatment for COVID-19. Recommendations from relevant organizations can be summarized as: <q>Evidence of efficacy for ivermectin is inconclusive. It should not be used outside of clinical trials.</q> (May 2021, June 2021, June 2021, July 2021, July 2021) (WHO, FDA, IDSA, ASHP, CDC, NIH)
    Chloroquine & hydroxychloroquine: The highest quality sources (1, 2, 3 4) demonstrate that neither is effective for treating COVID-19. These analyses accounted for use both alone and in combination with azithromycin. Some data suggest their usage may worsen outcomes. Recommendations from relevant organizations can be summarized: <q>Neither
    hydroxychloroquine nor chloroquine should be used, either alone or in
    combination with azithromycin, in inpatient or outpatient settings.</q> (July 2020, Aug 2020, Sep 2020, May 2021) (WHO, FDA, IDSA, ASHP, NIH)
    Ivmmeta.com, c19ivermectin.com, c19hcq.com, hcqmeta.com, etc: These sites are not reliable.
    The authors are pseudonymous. The findings have not been subject to
    peer review. We must rely on expert opinion, which describes these sites
    as unreliable. From published criticisms (1 2 3 4), it is clear that these analyses violate basic methodological norms which are known to cause spurious or false conclusions. These analyses include studies which have very small sample sizes, widely different dosages of treatment, open-label designs, different incompatible outcome measures, poor-quality control groups, and ad-hoc un-published trials which themselves did not undergo peer-review. (Dec 2020, Jan 2021, Feb 2021)</div><div>

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    Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2021

    Delete the word erroneous – author of this article is either biased or used erroneous erroneously. 2601:282:8280:1A60:6427:3ED2:C8CD:842C (talk) 20:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

    No, I feel that this request was made in error. –Roxy <small> the grumpy dog</small>. wooF 21:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

    <div>@Roxy the dog Well that’s awkward, I made the edit right as you replied above. My
    reasoning was more along the lines that the word is there redundantly;
    previous sentences already establish that he’s advocating for
    “widespread off-label use of certain drugs”. My understanding of
    Ivermectin is that it does work against COVID but at a level toxic to
    humans. Taking “erroneously” out leaves us with “claimed that…”, which
    takes out the potential OR out of the sentence. I would not object to
    putting in “against scientific consensus” or something similar instead,
    which backed up by the AP article cited</div><div>

     Ganbaruby!  <small>(talk)</small> 21:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

    The claim that it is a “wonder drug” that obliterates COVID etc, is
    false as sources say. Wikipedia needs to be clear about that for
    neutrality. This has been discussed ad nauseam already. Alexbrn (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

    What did they do to Dr. Joseph Mercola?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joseph_Mercola

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