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  • “Public health is 10% science and 90% psychology”

    Avatar IveyTech updated 1 week, 1 day ago 1 Member · 2 Posts
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    April 30, 2021 at 12:03 pm

    I do not have a bias against or for science as a method to examine what is the truth about anything. It is what it is.

    I am conscious of, because of science (based on the reasoning powers of humans), that science research itself is insufficient to bring me to the truths of what I am not conscious of. Other people are conscious of other concepts and realities besides mine.

    We need to be aware of others’ REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES…

    Let me illustrate what a statement can psychologically do:

    “The CDC announced on April 13 that deaths reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a U.S. Government funded database
    that tracks injuries and deaths caused by vaccines, following
    experimental COVID injections, have now surpassed 3000 deaths since
    December of 2020, when the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID shots were given emergency use authorization (EUA) by the FDA.”

    CDC: 3,005 Recorded Deaths in VAERS Following COVID-19 Experimental “Vaccines” – More than Total Vaccine Deaths for Past 13+ Years HAF

    I can either say, “Wow, that is not many deaths for all the people who have been vaccinated are are benefiting from the protection “, or I can say, “That is tragic that medical doctors are policy-driven and would not give alternative compassionate care therapeutics to the already infected, the co-morbidity people and the rest who are at risk that we did not know about”.

    The tragedy of being convinced by people that you only need vaccinations is that if you are one of these people who are forgotten by the multitudes for whom “the benefits outweigh the risks”

    Medical doctors… Why the hesitation to talk one on one with your COVID-19 infected patients about trying out repurposed and off-label use drugs and trying promising new treatment protocols with combined therapeutic agents? Can you consider the consequences of guessing about administering a vaccination, recovery depending on whether or not a severe COVID-19 patient’s immune system will develop quickly enough to avoid death?

    When not to vaccinate.



    “…People should know that it’s very rare in general to react to the vaccine, especially if you have never reacted before, according to Dr. Parikh. “The stats overall for vaccine allergies are 1 in 1.3 million,” Dr. Parikh says. “You’re more likely to be hit by lightning.”

    If you currently have Covid-19 or have been exposed to Covid-19

    People who currently have Covid-19 should not get the vaccine until they recover. Instead, wait until after you meet the CDC criteria to discontinue isolation or quarantine. You may also want to delay your vaccination until 90 days after recovering since current evidence suggests reinfection is uncommon after that amount of time, per the CDC. The vaccine is unlikely to be effective in preventing disease following exposure to Covid-19, so don’t risk the health of other people by trying to get vaccinated if you are or may be infected. If you received antibodies If you received Covid-19 antibodies, wait 90 days before vaccination as a precaution to avoid any interference with immune responses, according to the CDC.

    If you’re immunocompromised or take immunosuppressive medications

    People on other medications like immunomodulatory agents should speak to their health care provider and weigh the risks vs. benefits of vaccination. “It’s not that the vaccine will harm them, it’s that they may not make a good response to the vaccine,” Dr. Nachman says. “Those immunomodulating agents don’t hurt you when you’re taking the vaccine, but they lower your ability to make a good immune response,” she says. Dr. Nachman says that means you may not get that “bang for your buck” because these medicines are a substance that stimulates or suppresses the immune system. “That’s not to say you shouldn’t take [the vaccine], you should take it, but you may not make as good a response as someone who’s not on those medicines,” she says. The CDC says there’s no data currently available on the safety and efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines in persons with autoimmune conditions, though these persons were eligible for enrollment in clinical trials. According to the CDC, immunocompromised people may receive the Covid-19 vaccination if they have no history of allergic reactions to vaccination. However, they should know about the unknown vaccine safety profile and effectiveness in immunocompromised populations. People who received the Covid-19 vaccine during chemotherapy or treatment with other immunosuppressive drugs are not currently recommended for re-vaccination or additional doses, per the CDC.”

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    SARS-CoV-2 infected people should get the medical treatment they are expecting to.

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    That is why therapeutic interventions besides vaccines are being passionately demanded.

    Pro-vaccine ONLY people, calling people who demand compassionate therapeutic intervention “anti-vaxxers” are wrong about the reasons that we aren’t promoting the vaccinate the entire population approach.

    The efforts of antivaxxers to portray COVID-19 vaccines as harmful or even deadly continue apace (VAERS edition)

    This website is not living up to the “science-based” claim when it is not open to research and distribution of compassionate care prophylactic therapeutic treatments.

    This is proof that there are problems, HOWEVER FEW THEY ARE, with the vaccinate-only approach.

    The CDC’s VAERS and Vaccine Complications: The System is Broken

    The CDC’s VAERS and Vaccine Complications: The System is Broken Posted on April 19, 2021 by Yves Smith

    “Yves here.

    As IM Doc indicates in passing in this post, he’s been keeping Lambert and me (and the other members of our Covid brain trust) updated on what he is seeing in the field, via the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and hearing from MDs at a major teaching hospital and in his network about the Covid vaccines. Recall that IM Doc was early to warn that vaccinations would soon hit a wall after those eager to take them had gotten their shots. He saw that in his area (which has a substantial wealthy/PMC population) before the J&J “pause”. IM Doc has also been regularly describing his frustration and that of other physicians with the dearth of data and official advice. An example from a recent e-mail: Is it not interesting that all of the press releases and information online and on TV continually refer to “a very rare condition”, “blood clots”, “blood disorder” in very nebulous terms. That could literally encompass hundreds of different diagnoses. As one of the other docs [on an internet conference] stated out loud: There was a time when our federal medical folks would have this kind of situation and front and center would be an EXACT description of the problem and some kind of messaging to the physicians of America of what would we should be on the lookout for – and what we can do to treat…So far NOTHING about either issue – indicating they could not give 2 [#%$*] about patients and physicians – this is now all about protecting Big Pharma and the money machine. Indeed, this is most unusual, extraordinary as a matter of fact. Something has drastically changed in our federal agencies in just the past few years. The last big issue involving the CDC was the vaping/lung damage issue and I was getting daily e-mails. I am definitely on their email list. I have not received a word about any of this – nor at this point do I really expect to. I have found nothing that is an exact clinical description of what is happening to these patients and what to expect. What I am able to glean from off-handed comments in a very few of the medical articles is that the use of any anti-coagulation agents especially heparin and lovenox, make things much worse. There is also apparently great concern about the newer agents like Eliquis and Xarelto. In other words, we have no treatment options. I am not exactly sure what we are supposed to do. To say that I find it very concerning to not be informed of what exactly is going on is unprecedented and deeply concerning. Now to IM Doc’s overview of the sorry state of vaccine deployment. This Administration is following the established Team Dem practice of treating every problem as if it can be solve with better PR. We are seeing that in a pandemic results in bad science, bad PR, and bad outcomes.

    By IM Doc, a internal medicine doctor working in a rural hospital in the heartlands

    I am the son of a public health officer. As a young child, I saw my father struggle through the swine flu of 1976 and the vaccine debacle that accompanied that era. As I grew older, and especially once I entered medicine, he had several heart-to-heart talks with me about a career in medicine and by extension public health. I can summarize what he told me in two large thrusts. 1) Integrity, truth, and honesty is EVERYTHING in public health. Once squandered, it will never return. 2) Public health is 10% science and 90% psychology. Do not ever forget that. You will get nowhere by screaming SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE and you will certainly get nowhere by flashing credentials. And you must have an acute awareness of panic, fear and anxiety. They change everything and your response must always take that into account. I have done everything I can as an Internist and Primary Care Physician to conduct myself with honesty and integrity and to respect the emotions and thoughts of my patients and my community. To conduct myself any other way would be a fool’s errand. So it came as no surprise to watch this Bill Maher segment on Friday night with my wife. I take care of patients that are both blue and red in their politics. I have been hearing exactly the same mood and sentiment from all of them over the past 2-3 weeks. Mr. Maher has dissected perfectly where I think most people are in this country, that they are tired of being told half truths and noble lies. This complete and total messaging disaster is the doing of our federal public health officials and our media. The narrative has completely fallen apart in almost every aspect of this pandemic and its management. The credibility deficit keeps getting worse by the week. For whatever reason, we in medicine and public health have allowed a bunch of corrupt, lying, discredited charlatans to be our spokespeople – often employing the age-old tactics of SCIENCE, SCIENCE, SCIENCE or worse yet – BECAUSE I SAY SO – all the while flashing their fancy credentials while being questioned on TV by smiling sycophants who seem completely incapable of asking tough questions. Mr. Maher’s commentary ended the week in which we saw one of the vaccines (Johnson & Johnson) being halted because of safety concerns. I was interested to see how public health leaders would respond. It was consistent with the poor baseline they’ve set. Dr. Leana S. Wen, a physician so skilled in communication and leadership that she was fired within a year as CEO of Planned Parenthood, has been a mainstay of the official medical response. Her biggest misfire was about 2 weeks ago, when she suggested on CNN that citizens should have their freedoms removed in order to be convinced to take the vaccine…”

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    10% science, 90% psychology in the media



    <b itemprop=”headline”>Viral posts misuse VAERS data to make false claims about COVID-19 vaccines

    by Catalina Jaramillo

    Posted Apr 15, 2021, 2:17 pm

    SciCheck digest

    Social media posts repeatedly misuse unverified data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System to falsely claim that COVID-19 vaccines are dangerous, and even lethal. But the government database is not designed to determine if vaccines cause health problems.

    Full story

    Millions of people in the United States have safely received COVID-19 vaccines.


    That’s it? “Millions of people in the United States have safely received COVID-19 vaccines”?

    We need compassionate therapeutic intervention.

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    April 30, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    Some hopeful doctors

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