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  • More poisonous: ivermectin or tomatoes?

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    IveyTech

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    April 25, 2021 at 4:20 pm

    <div>We aren’t ingesting poison. Unless you call all drugs poison.
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    First of all, you don’t scare people anymore, when you eat tomatoes in front of their eyes. But once tomatoes were really scary because a lot of disinformation was disseminated. And ignorance reigned for awhile.

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    Second, when a poison center composite of many kinds of poisonings gets made into a story that says that ivermectin comes in big tubes and “people are poisoning themselves”, try not to misconstrue what people are actually doing – measuring a small amount out for use.

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    “…using horse-sized doses on themselves, Julie Weber, president of the American Association of Poison Control Centers, told ABC News.

    “We just had a case of someone using a veterinary source of ivermectin, a horse medication, that contains a significantly larger dose of the drug,” Weber told ABC News

    “….taking a dose of ivermectin intended for an animal the size of a compact car can poison you.”

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    http://www.yahoo.com/news/people-poisoning-themselves-trying-treat-175747968.html

    Who died? Phrased “poisoning themselves”, the media misconstrued the poison center report to look bad for people who have been ignorant and irresponsible with veterinary drug repurposing. Making it plural “(themselves”) makes the amplification loud and scary. But how many died using veterinary ivermectin?

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    When careful people assume that ivermectin veterinarian formula is inherently dangerous because a picture of a horse is on the box and a warning label “Not for human use” trigger the expression of desires including flight or fight, fear, aggression, the defense of Science…
    …GRANTED.
    That is your automatically responsive right to stay alive and heed warnings.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/all.13118

    https://www.maximpulse.com/permethrin/ivermectin-horse-paste-for-scabies.html

    Others among us humans have become explorers who risk our lives to discover something. To find out the truth about something
    Like why a really absurd amount of people for 200 years went on repeating a tale that was found to be untrue.
    “When tomatoes were poisonous, and other toxic tales…” https://duckduckgo.com/?q=when+tomatoes+were+poisonous+and+other+toxic&t=fpas&ia=web

    Eat a tomato, find out for yourself. This is the age of reason, isn’t it?
    Ask a person who has recovered from one of the many diseases in the world that ivermectin has been used for, whether approved or unapproved, and whether or not it was a risk to go ahead with the drug so that one would go ahead and actually experience the benefits.

    Many people couldn’t experience the benefit of a tomato in those dark, ignorant and persistent beliefs that they held.

    How similar are the dark, ignorant and persistent beliefs held today by people who sum everything up with the non-sequitir phrase, “I don’t believe in conspiracy theories!”

    When two or more humans together hold a theory about something (i.e., “ivermectin is poisonous in theory”), and do nothing to test the theory by experimentation with it, they are the same as the people who spread the news that tomatoes were poisonous, sharing information with others, poisoning their listeners with misconstrued notions.

    An Enigmatic Drug

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711

    Ivermectin: Old Drug, New Tricks?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5446326/?report=reader#!po=6.16438

    Ivermectin isn’t a “poisonous tomato” because YAHOO NEWS reported it misconstrued…as Linnaeus reasoned and classified the tomato with assumptions.

    200 years of missing out was the result.

    “The cause was not advanced by the great botanist Carl Linnaeus, father of the six-level taxonomy still in use today (kingdom, phylum, order, family, genus, species), and of the double-barreled Latinate naming system we all know and love, which gives first the genus and then the species. In 1753 Linnaeus rejected Tournefort’s separate genus Lycopersicon and placed tomatoes back in Solanum, calling the cultivated tomato the familiar S. Lycopersicon — both poison and wolves.

    Just to seal the tomato’s fate, all parts of the plant, with the exception of its fruit, actually are poisonous. Perhaps to emphasize that exception, more recent botanists have backpedaled, adding esculentum (edible) to the beleaguered tomato’s name to give us Lycopersicon esculentum, or “edible wolf peach.” Unfortunately, this rear-guard action came too late to redeem the tomato for our Colonial forbears.

    An entirely different theory for why the tomato got off to a rocky start in the US also focuses on names. This time, though, the names involved are the earliest European ones, such as the Italian “pomi d’oro” (golden apple) or the even more evocative French “pomme d’amour” (love apple). Such names, goes this theory, were hardly of the sort to make Puritans feel at ease with the tomato (see Tomatoes are Evil).

    Redemption at Last

    You can’t keep a good plant down, though, and despite its ill-deserved bad reputation, eventually the taste of the tomato won over the American public. It also may have gotten a big boost from a seemingly unlikely source: Founding Father Thomas Jefferson.

    According to the writings of Peter J. Hatch, director of the Monticello Gardens and Grounds, Jefferson grew tomatoes and his daughters and granddaughters used them in numerous recipes including gumbo soups. The Jefferson women also pickled them and, in general, promoted their use in cooking. This claim is (of course) disputed by other authorities, such dispute apparently being the name of the game in tomato scholarship. In an article written in 2000, Hatch said that in an 1824 speech given to the Albemarle Agricultural Society, Jefferson’s son-in-law, Thomas Mann Randolph, mentioned that though tomatoes were hardly known ten years prior, by 1824 everyone was growing and eating them.

    Even if we lose the Jefferson-as-promoter-of-the-tomato theory, there appear to be any number of great anecdotes to choose from, all equally suspect historically speaking, but all entertaining. One gives us a Colonel Robert Gibbon Johnson in 1830, who set out to eat a basket of tomatoes on the steps of the local courthouse, where a crowd collected to watch him foam at the mouth, twitch and generally carry on until he finally expired. When he didn’t, this legend avers, tomatoes were redeemed and were gradually accepted as food, though preferably in a highly processed form, after extended exposure to heat, vinegar, and spices. Tomato ketchup was popular long before salad tomatoes were.

    What Jefferson and his family helped start (maybe), Joseph Campbell of Campbell’s soup fame finished. The tomato had made steady progress through the 19th century, so that by the 1870s or 80s, seed catalogues often offered several varieties of tomatoes. When Campbell came out with condensed tomato soup in 1897, the tomato’s place in American culinary history was assured.”

    History of Tomatoes

    Be brave, but follow reason.

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    IveyTech

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    April 27, 2021 at 9:44 pm

    <b itemprop=”headline”> Safety of Ivermectin

    <b itemprop=”headline”>C<b itemprop=”headline”>linical Trial Conducted by MedinCell Confirms the Safety of Continuous Administration of Ivermectin

    <time datetime=”2021-04-19T10:45:30-05:00″>Apr 19, 2021</time>
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    <time datetime=”2021-04-19T11:03:36-05:00″>Apr 19, 2021</time>

    MONTPELLIER, France–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Apr 19,Sa21–

    Clinical trial validates the safety of ivermectin taken daily in oral form, to simulate the continuous release of the active substance by a long-acting injection.

    No side effects were observed with the three doses of ivermectin tested up to 100 µg / kg.

    MedinCell develops several long-acting injectable formulations of ivermectin, the most advanced aims at preventing infection from Covid-19 and its mutants for several months.

    Positive results of the safety study

    “All our programs are developed in accordance with the highest ethical standards and on the basis of reliable scientific principles with a view to potential massive deployment. Proving the safety of ivermectin in regular daily administration over a long period was an essential step for our ivermectin programs, in particular mdc-TTG in Covid-19,” said Joël Richard, Chief Development Officer at MedinCell.

    Covid-19: The prophylactic strategy

    “Our hypotheses are being confirmed, says Christophe Douat, CEO of MedinCell: the pandemic continues, and vaccination may not be enough to stop it. The body of clinical data and scientific knowledge supporting the efficacy of ivermectin at a therapeutic dose against Covid-19, in particular as a prophylaxis, continues to grow. In this context, our treatment, based on a widely known molecule, which could be stored at room temperature and which aims to offer protection for several months after a simple injection against Covid-19 and its variants, could become a key tool of the anti-Covid arsenal. Our goal is still to have a product ready in 2022. “

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinical-trial-conducted-medincell-confirms-154500841.html

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    IveyTech

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    April 30, 2021 at 4:10 pm

    <b itemprop=”headline”> Doctor Defends ‘80 Clinical Studies’ Showing Ivermectin is ‘89% Effective’ at Preventing COVID April 30, 2021

    Doctor Defends ‘80 Clinical Studies’ Showing Ivermectin is ‘89% Effective’ at Preventing COVID

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    ‘People are trying to scare us from taking ivermectin,’ Dr. Benigno Agbayani declared. ‘It’s one of the safest drugs in the world.’

    Even taking a dose, “ten times” the NIH daily recommended amount, would “have no [side] effect.”

    “Compare that to other drugs that we are now using that are fairly new, where you are getting so many reports of side effects.

    “So it’s really amazing that people still say it’s an unsafe drug when it’s been used for 25 years, over 3.7 billion doses have been given.”

    Dr. Agbayani is by no means alone in his promotion of ivermectin for treating and preventing COVID-19.

    Back in December, intensive care specialist Dr. Pierre Kory, a founding member of the FLCCC, delivered an impassioned address to the Senate Homeland Security Committee, defending the “miraculous effectiveness of ivermectin,” and stating that it “basically obliterates transmission of this virus.”

    “It literally destroys the virus in most people within 48 hours,” agreed fellow panelist Dr. Jean-Jacques Rajter, whose peer-reviewed study found 60% fewer deaths among patients given the drug.


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